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Post by earthcrusher on Mar 30, 2007 21:08:07 GMT -6
We would dedicate it to Stargate. And talk about Richard Dean Anderson all day instead of Leonard Nemoy and William Shatner. good one LOL
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Post by rubinco on Jun 14, 2007 7:47:58 GMT -6
ya kirk did get demoted! why did u put admiral! you people confuse me.
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Post by brenn on Jun 14, 2007 7:53:29 GMT -6
You guys are just trying to keep a good captain down, while drool over Janeway's ass-ets.
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Post by earthcrusher on Nov 25, 2007 18:54:58 GMT -6
Janeway is MINE! I called her I saw her first!
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Post by Lexi on Jun 15, 2008 0:53:10 GMT -6
As for canon, some of the novels out there are great, but it's really best left in the hands of the producers to decide what is and isn't "true".
I mean, Gene Roddenberry said that some of Star Trek V might not even be canon, and I believe the Voyager producers agreed with a large fanbase that the episode where Paris and Janeway break Warp 10 and "hyper-evolve" was complete trash, so they said we can pretend it never happened xD
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Jun 19, 2008 7:55:00 GMT -6
My view -- Only the various televised series should properly be considered canon, because not everybody has the opportunity to read all these "novels" that people keep churning out. I'm not always sure about the movies, because sometimes they seem to contradict the series. For example, in "Wrath of Khan", Kirk says that Klingons don't take prisoners. Since when? I thought it was the Romulans who didn't take prisoners?
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Post by Lexi on Jun 19, 2008 23:03:57 GMT -6
Yeah, plus loads of continuity errors, most of which can thankfully just be overlooked.
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Post by Niemz on Jun 28, 2008 10:55:57 GMT -6
My view -- Only the various televised series should properly be considered canon, because not everybody has the opportunity to read all these "novels" that people keep churning out. I'm not always sure about the movies, because sometimes they seem to contradict the series. For example, in "Wrath of Khan", Kirk says that Klingons don't take prisoners. Since when? I thought it was the Romulans who didn't take prisoners? That could just be kirk's bias against Klingons coming out.
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Post by Lexi on Aug 10, 2008 2:22:41 GMT -6
That could just be kirk's bias against Klingons coming out. And there's sure enough of that to pop onto the screen occasionally. The Undiscovered Country in particular highlights the issues of racism, which I think was a good thing. For example, McCoy's digs at Spock in the series were quite often nothing but racial slurs, which were overlooked. Apparently in The Undiscovered Country Uhura had a line referring to the Klingons, "Would you let your daughter marry one?", but Nichelle Nichols refused to say it on account of how racist it was. Also, Chekov's line of "Guess who's coming to dinner?" was a reference to one of the first major films to deal with the issue of interracial marriage. ...So Memory Alpha tells me, anyway.
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Post by Niemz on Aug 10, 2008 10:51:01 GMT -6
Sounds plausible...
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Aug 12, 2008 8:53:02 GMT -6
The Undiscovered Country in particular highlights the issues of racism, which I think was a good thing. Actually that's one of the reasons I didn't like "The Undiscovered Country" -- because I always considered our heroes had grown beyond such obvious racism. But I see what you're saying. They wanted to make that point about racism, but they couldn't be too subtle about it or the viewers wouldn't have caught it.
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Post by Lexi on Aug 15, 2008 6:14:29 GMT -6
Yeah. I still reckon that McCoy was unnaturally racist for the time; I can understand animosity in Enterprise, but by the 23rd century they really should have gotten over it all. I guess it's 'cause as far as the audience was concerned, the Enterprise was pretty much a human ship.
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