Mr. Atoz
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Dec 31, 2007 9:16:38 GMT -6
Prove to me that evolution is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. Prove to me it's NOT. You said it was not first. Seriously, I have no intention of getting into a nasty argument about this. There are all kinds of books you could read or websites you could visit if you were the slightest bit interested in the facts. I'm just telling you the way I see it. Evolution happened. That is a fact. Neo-Darwinism or Natural Selection is a theory about HOW it happened, as Intelligent Design is another "theory" if you want to call it that. But only one of them is a scientific theory.
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Dec 31, 2007 9:22:37 GMT -6
The chances of one of our ships traveling back in time is very , very, very, slim. And you have been watching Star Trek for how many minutes? Gosh, I've lost count of the number of times Starfleet ships have travelled back in time. Oh wait, now you're going to say, "It's just fiction!" Well, the Prime Direction is part of that fictional reality. You can't talk about it while at the same time ignoring the rest of the backdrop. I'm just saying the Prime Directive is there for a good reason, to prevent Starfleet from interfereing in other cultures. The Omega Glory is my favorite episode, in part because it's a near-perfect illustration of the Prime Directive. Tracy: "Still the Prime Directive's for this planet?" Kirk: "I don't think we have the wisdom to interfere in however a planet is evolving." It's true that Kirk did ultimately interact with the rulers of that planet, but he did so just as little as humanly possible.
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Post by earthcrusher on Dec 31, 2007 10:25:52 GMT -6
Prove to me that evolution is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. Prove to me it's NOT. You said it was not first. Seriously, I have no intention of getting into a nasty argument about this. There are all kinds of books you could read or websites you could visit if you were the slightest bit interested in the facts. I'm just telling you the way I see it. Evolution happened. That is a fact. Neo-Darwinism or Natural Selection is a theory about HOW it happened, as Intelligent Design is another "theory" if you want to call it that. But only one of them is a scientific theory. Finally! Someone said it is a THEORY!!! Now we can be friends! I am tired of people pushing Ideas as fact when they are just theories. I think most people do not understand the difference between a theory and a fact, or a Law. As to my beliefs in Creationism It is a matter of faith. However I cannot prove it beyond my personal faith. So I call it the Creation Theory. Not creation fact. You are the first person who, I think believes in evolution theory to admit it is a theory. When people start touting theories as facts and push it on people it can and does create enemies really quick! OK friend lets move on.
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Jan 4, 2008 9:31:03 GMT -6
Okay. Moving on along...
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Jan 4, 2008 9:31:54 GMT -6
What were we talking about?
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Niemz
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Post by Niemz on Jan 4, 2008 22:29:20 GMT -6
The prime directive...
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Post by earthcrusher on Jan 4, 2008 23:34:45 GMT -6
Was there a secondary directive?
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Post by Kitty on Jan 5, 2008 23:46:41 GMT -6
anyways - i didn't even hesitate - I voted Yes ! - I like Ben Sisko(sp)
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Post by earthcrusher on Jan 6, 2008 2:04:11 GMT -6
WHAT???
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Jan 7, 2008 9:03:44 GMT -6
In the episode "Homeward", they were only able to save a small group of people. That's not really a very big sample of the gene pool. I would predict that, without intervention by the Starfleet medical bureau, that small group is probably going to die out anyway. All in all, I think Picard made the right call. The Enterprise was not really in a position to save a large enough number of them to justify the risk in violating the Prime Directive. Once he was presented with a fait accompli by Worf's brother, he went along with it because he couldn't personally kill those people.
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Post by Lexi on Jun 15, 2008 0:49:38 GMT -6
Yeah, back on the Prime Directive...
You'd have to break it. That's what the Federation is all ABOUT. I mean, it's not just a stupid rule; it's a really really really good idea, in a similar way to the idea that, say, if God existed and revealed himself as a fact, no-one would have the choice to believe in him or not. I think one of the ideas behind the Prime Directive is that it's only fair that people are allowed to have their civilisations to themselves until they're ready; we were allowed to, so let everyone else. BUT, the idea of letting people have their freedoms is pretty much negated if you let them die, so break whenever you have to. But not when you want to xD
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Post by Niemz on Jun 21, 2008 13:11:34 GMT -6
I voted no...
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Post by Lexi on Jun 22, 2008 14:14:07 GMT -6
Interesting decision; in a way you'd have more guts than those of us who'd break it, and certainly more conviction in the authority of a previous arbiter of right and wrong.
...But for me, being a starship captain would always be about making my own decisions, and if the case morally called for it, "To hell with our orders".
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Post by Mr. Atoz on Jun 28, 2008 8:22:21 GMT -6
From the scenario that was given, I also reluctantly vote No. If there were any way to prevent the disaster and save the entire planet, I would pursue that as hard as possible, but to just snatch up 20 people out of millions would be an exercise in futility. How do I choose which 20? Does this one village get to live just because they happened to be lucky enough to have a Federation anthropologist fall in love with them? As I pointed out earlier, a group this small could not survive without other villages to trade with, cross-fertilize with, and so forth. Eventually Starfleet would have to intervene, they would all end up like that one villager who found out the truth, and their culture would be gone anyway.
Yes, it's tempting to say the heck with their "culture" -- that every individual life is worth saving. But when you're a captain, you have to look at the big picture sometimes. There were also millions and millions of plants and animals on that planet; I don't see what makes the villagers special just because they're sentient.
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Post by Niemz on Jun 28, 2008 10:53:57 GMT -6
Well said!
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